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Post by 1dell on Jun 25, 2004 6:53:52 GMT -5
Gen 8:6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
Gen 8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.
Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters [were] on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
Gen 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth [was] an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Gen 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
He sent out both birds to do the same thing on a search mission. But Were the birds searching for the same things? If that is the case then why not send 2 ravens or just 2 doves? Why a Dove (clean fowl) and a Raven (Unclean fowl)?
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 25, 2004 8:27:36 GMT -5
There are manifold parallel intepretations to the scripts. However one that stands out right off the bat because of the common theme found in the bible is hashatan and Ieshua. The raven and dove rep. the two respective.
They are forrunners to the ministry of both Hashatan and Ieshua.
Peace.
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Post by 1dell on Jun 26, 2004 7:46:17 GMT -5
Hey bro, just out of couriosity, is that what ICUPK teaches? I for one am not hostile against their teachings, I'ont know them like that. When we look at the birds and their differences it kinda helps I think: Doves
- White
- Ceremonially Clean
- Vegetarian
- Represents the Ruakh HaQodesh
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- Black
- Ceremonially Unclean
- Carnivore
- Represents ministers of deserts
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Perhaps N'akh sent out BOTH the Raven and the Dove, one to search for flesh and the other to search for vegetation. We see what the Dove returned with. The colors could represent darkness and light. Don't get me to lying. But I noticed that the hebrew word for Raven "Ureb" also means to become evening or grow dark. The word for Dove is Yonah. Wow, whats funny is Yonah was the dude in the boat on the water that got swallowed by the sea animal. But I don't feel like developing that right now. Check this out though In Genesis 1:2 the "spirit" of God is hovering over the waters. Why we gotta know that? Why does the scriptures even mention that but never builds off of it. like it's just anonomous information. WHY is the spirit of God hovering over the waters. And what happened? Why is the world covered in water?  Kinda reminds me of The N'akhide flood. And the Dove was most assuredly hovering or flying over the waters. And when Ishua is baptized in MattitIHaWa 3:16 the Ruakh HaQodesh Falls on Ishua in the form of a dove. So can we not superimpose the symbology? Dayum now that I think about it the Black Raven could represent genesis 1:2 because he was sent out first "and darkness was on the face of the deep" as we have discovered the word Raven means to grow dark. I love this stuff!!! What I see in N'akh's flood is Genesis 1:2 all over again. Or should I say that Genesis 1:2 is also the aftermath of a flood similar to N'akh's |
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 26, 2004 8:00:28 GMT -5
Youre connecting the dots! [dot matrix] I likes to see that wit you. Aint limiting yourself to generic lineal interps.
Keep it up! and keep cipherin this way!
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 26, 2004 8:14:41 GMT -5
Hey that word [raven] is related to ARAB too! and they are desert peeps. Hmmm... |
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Post by 1dell on Jun 26, 2004 8:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah and when I said that raven's are minisers of Desert I mean they administer what is deserved. In one instance Solomon says they will pluck out the eyes of those who disobey their parents. And in another instance the Most High uses them to feed Elijah in the woods bringing him bread and meat. So they administer punishment or rewards
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 26, 2004 8:29:33 GMT -5
John was likened unto Elija and he too was in the wilderness. Could it be John learned the way of ISLAM during his time in the wilderness ? And since the raven came before the dove, was not John before Ieshua ? Hmmm... Yeah and when I said that raven's are minisers of Desert I mean they administer what is deserved. In one instance Solomon says they will pluck out the eyes of those who disobey their parents. And in another instance the Most High uses them to feed Elijah in the woods bringing him bread and meat. So they administer punishment or rewards |
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Post by 1dell on Jun 26, 2004 8:52:22 GMT -5
Why do you say Islaam?
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 26, 2004 8:57:28 GMT -5
Because ISHMAEL is known as the father of the wilderness dwellers. ISHMAEL is the father of the arab race. |
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Post by 1dell on Jun 27, 2004 6:16:58 GMT -5
 Dude, Yshma'al's father was a wilderness dweller. 1der where he got that from. Thats what it meant to be a hebrew. So then was Ytzkhak his brother. Islam wasn't until after Yhawakhanan The Immerse some 600 years later. Because ISHMAEL is known as the father of the wilderness dwellers. ISHMAEL is the father of the arab race.
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jun 27, 2004 6:28:07 GMT -5
remember the story of Ismael and Haggar being cast into the wilderness and it is thre Ismael recieved his training in the art of archery ? Dude, Yshma'al's father was a wilderness dweller. 1der where he got that from. Thats what it meant to be a hebrew. So then was Ytzkhak his brother. Islam wasn't until after Yhawakhanan The Immerse some 600 years later. |
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Post by 1dell on Jul 16, 2004 11:24:50 GMT -5
ok but what does that have to do with what we are talking about? I am just saying that Yshma'al is not the beginning of wilderness dwellers when his father was one thereby making his father a wilderness dweller before them. In truth Abram is the father of arabs because his offspring became arabs. I prove that in the Hebrew Non-Israelite Post remember the story of Ismael and Haggar being cast into the wilderness and it is thre Ismael recieved his training in the art of archery ? |
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Post by 1dell on Jul 16, 2004 11:27:17 GMT -5
In one response you talk about john baptising then the next you talk about ishma'al. Where is the continuity?
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Post by kAHANyAH on Jul 16, 2004 11:50:38 GMT -5
I hear a whistle pass over your head bruh.  Listen ever hear of Nights Templar ? Okay now... Ever hear of Baphomet ? Its a corruption of Mahommet. That is how they spelt Muhammed's [pbuh] name. Sort'a code like if you will. How does this tie in wit John ? Well I already stated he taught the way of Islam in the wilderness. John's beheading in the bible is secret doctrin of the church ref., to Baphomet (btw..., baphomet and Baptism both have a common prime root - baph, which is to say bathe or immerse) or the goat head of mendes. And uhhh... ishmael is synonymous with ISLAM and ARABIA and when referencing the seed of the promise thru Isaak, Ismael is known as the father of those who dwell in the wilderness [ ref., Gal 4.22 - X]. What did you not understand in my assertion, that it dont jibe wit your logic at things ? Well bruh., I am sorry if I cannot subscribe to how you read the bible. My most sincere apology.......... NOT!  In one response you talk about john baptising then the next you talk about ishma'al. Where is the continuity? |
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Post by 1dell on Jul 16, 2004 12:02:42 GMT -5
A whistle? Nah bru, you hear me snoring cuz aint no way in HELL that makes ANY logical sense. But hey I guess if that works for you then. It's like sticking pieces of a puzzle together that don't fit and forcing them to mesh and when they don't you have to surgically remove parts inorder for them to fit. Then when the puzzle is complete and it don't resembly anything that makes any kind of sense then just label it abstract art.
I really don't like abstract art. I see it as an excuse for lazy artist to throw anything together in the name of art without learning the proper discipline and techniques to to properly express themselves.
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